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	<title>Comments on: RAN Grassroots Stick It to Palm Oil</title>
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		<title>By: Sukanto Tanoto</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-269137</link>
		<dc:creator>Sukanto Tanoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did You Know?

In 1990 you said that orangutan will extinct in the next 3 years. Now you say again that orangutan will extinct in the next 3 years (2011). And I thing in 2020 you will say the same words again, orangutan will extinct in 2023.

Which countries has rain forest?....no one of yours..... so please make forest in your own country.... capitalist..... and now you can see how greed your CEO, industrialized countries..... and now please help your countries from global crisis...........</description>
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<p>In 1990 you said that orangutan will extinct in the next 3 years. Now you say again that orangutan will extinct in the next 3 years (2011). And I thing in 2020 you will say the same words again, orangutan will extinct in 2023.</p>
<p>Which countries has rain forest?&#8230;.no one of yours&#8230;.. so please make forest in your own country&#8230;. capitalist&#8230;.. and now you can see how greed your CEO, industrialized countries&#8230;.. and now please help your countries from global crisis&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Cargill</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-269074</link>
		<dc:creator>Cargill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greed?

Yeah all of you are greed. Please find who&#039;s Cargill, Unilever, Evans, United Plantations, Austindo etc. etc. Aren&#039;t they your families? Double Standard.

Orangutan Activist? Yeah.... just write a proposal which blame tropics countries of illegal logging, oil palm forest destructio etc. etc.... it is just for dollar from donors... after that, the activist spend huge money from donors to buy a sophisticated laptop, cocktail party,travelling abroad... etc... etc, and after the money is empty... start to write a proposal again .... with a global warming issues.... NATO (no action talk only)......</description>
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<p>Yeah all of you are greed. Please find who&#8217;s Cargill, Unilever, Evans, United Plantations, Austindo etc. etc. Aren&#8217;t they your families? Double Standard.</p>
<p>Orangutan Activist? Yeah&#8230;. just write a proposal which blame tropics countries of illegal logging, oil palm forest destructio etc. etc&#8230;. it is just for dollar from donors&#8230; after that, the activist spend huge money from donors to buy a sophisticated laptop, cocktail party,travelling abroad&#8230; etc&#8230; etc, and after the money is empty&#8230; start to write a proposal again &#8230;. with a global warming issues&#8230;. NATO (no action talk only)&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lim Swie Liong</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-269068</link>
		<dc:creator>Lim Swie Liong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hei Boss; 

Please remember: 

1. Total area cultivated in UK is about 70% of total UK&#039;s area, but in Malaysia and Indonesia now less than 20%. 

2. Total area cultivated for vegetable oil in your countries more than 100 million ha, but oil palm just 10 million ha with the productivity 5 times of your plantations.

3. Soybean, canola/rape sheed, sun flower, are less than one year crop, so every year you must clear the area.... but oil palm could survive economically until 25 years and no land clearing amid the period.

So what? Please compare apple to apple.... vegetable oil (soybean, canola, sunflower) with vegetable oil also (coconut oil, oil palm etc) it&#039;s fair okey?

Your govt give huge subsidy for soy bean, canola and sun flower&#039;s farmer.... but in developing countries, the farmer subside all of you....... stupid!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei Boss; </p>
<p>Please remember: </p>
<p>1. Total area cultivated in UK is about 70% of total UK&#8217;s area, but in Malaysia and Indonesia now less than 20%. </p>
<p>2. Total area cultivated for vegetable oil in your countries more than 100 million ha, but oil palm just 10 million ha with the productivity 5 times of your plantations.</p>
<p>3. Soybean, canola/rape sheed, sun flower, are less than one year crop, so every year you must clear the area&#8230;. but oil palm could survive economically until 25 years and no land clearing amid the period.</p>
<p>So what? Please compare apple to apple&#8230;. vegetable oil (soybean, canola, sunflower) with vegetable oil also (coconut oil, oil palm etc) it&#8217;s fair okey?</p>
<p>Your govt give huge subsidy for soy bean, canola and sun flower&#8217;s farmer&#8230;. but in developing countries, the farmer subside all of you&#8230;&#8230;. stupid!</p>
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		<title>By: S. Woo</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-264569</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment to Frank L:  The logic on a great yield equating to less rainforest destruction is fallible.  It dowsn&#039;t matter how great the yield is per any unit of measure:  greed is greed and that just makes it a more desirable crop to plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment to Frank L:  The logic on a great yield equating to less rainforest destruction is fallible.  It dowsn&#8217;t matter how great the yield is per any unit of measure:  greed is greed and that just makes it a more desirable crop to plant.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Woo</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-264567</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Woo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a comment to Frank L:  The logic on a greater yeild equating to less rainforest destruction is fallible.  It doesn&#039;t matter how great the yeild is per any unit of measure: greed is greed and that just makes it a more desirable crop to plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a comment to Frank L:  The logic on a greater yeild equating to less rainforest destruction is fallible.  It doesn&#8217;t matter how great the yeild is per any unit of measure: greed is greed and that just makes it a more desirable crop to plant.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 17:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, good work y&#039;all! And to Frank L, just look in the national geographic magazine or on Google Earth, or videos on youtube what kind of destruction and misary palm oil causes. Really terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, good work y&#8217;all! And to Frank L, just look in the national geographic magazine or on Google Earth, or videos on youtube what kind of destruction and misary palm oil causes. Really terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank L</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-262622</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bette &amp; Adrian

Sad but you&#039;ve both been duped. RAN&#039;s position on palm oil and rainforest destruction is as shallow as a discount birdbath..as cheap as they come!

RAN claims that the orang utans will become extinct by 2011 in their website. Have you questioned how much credibility RAN has with that statement when even Adriand&#039;s friend, Bria who lives in Borneo, confirmed that there are orang utans there....in fact between 45,000 to 65,000 of them at last count?

I would be VERY wary of RAN&#039;s claims as to me, they are making use of all da young people to do their dirty work. You see, I think that RAN gets paid to run down palm oil, which is probably the most productive of all oil seeds.  I should know.  I work in an oil refinery.  One hectare of palm oil yields 4.5 metric tons of oil compared to the typical 0.5 metric ton yield of other edible oils like soy, canola and sunflower.  How can such a high yielding crop be accused of causing rainforest destruction.  Can you see the twisted logic of RAN now?  Higher productivity means that less land is needed to produce the same amount of oil!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bette &amp; Adrian</p>
<p>Sad but you&#8217;ve both been duped. RAN&#8217;s position on palm oil and rainforest destruction is as shallow as a discount birdbath..as cheap as they come!</p>
<p>RAN claims that the orang utans will become extinct by 2011 in their website. Have you questioned how much credibility RAN has with that statement when even Adriand&#8217;s friend, Bria who lives in Borneo, confirmed that there are orang utans there&#8230;.in fact between 45,000 to 65,000 of them at last count?</p>
<p>I would be VERY wary of RAN&#8217;s claims as to me, they are making use of all da young people to do their dirty work. You see, I think that RAN gets paid to run down palm oil, which is probably the most productive of all oil seeds.  I should know.  I work in an oil refinery.  One hectare of palm oil yields 4.5 metric tons of oil compared to the typical 0.5 metric ton yield of other edible oils like soy, canola and sunflower.  How can such a high yielding crop be accused of causing rainforest destruction.  Can you see the twisted logic of RAN now?  Higher productivity means that less land is needed to produce the same amount of oil!</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-262506</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Bette,

Thanks for taking such an active interest in the campaign!

I just talked to Bria - one of my co-campaigners, who lived in Borneo for many years - and she confirmed that there are orangutans in Borneo. There aren&#039;t many left, though - rainforest destruction has robbed the orangutan of much of its natural habitat, and it&#039;s entirely possible that no orangutans will be left in the wild within several decades, if the current rate of destruction continues.

As far as Earth Balance is concerned... I&#039;ve had trouble finding a sustainable butter substitute as well. I&#039;d recommend writing to the company, and sharing your concerns with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Bette,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking such an active interest in the campaign!</p>
<p>I just talked to Bria &#8211; one of my co-campaigners, who lived in Borneo for many years &#8211; and she confirmed that there are orangutans in Borneo. There aren&#8217;t many left, though &#8211; rainforest destruction has robbed the orangutan of much of its natural habitat, and it&#8217;s entirely possible that no orangutans will be left in the wild within several decades, if the current rate of destruction continues.</p>
<p>As far as Earth Balance is concerned&#8230; I&#8217;ve had trouble finding a sustainable butter substitute as well. I&#8217;d recommend writing to the company, and sharing your concerns with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bette Simons</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/11/05/ran-grassroots-stick-it-to-palm-oil/comment-page-1/#comment-262492</link>
		<dc:creator>Bette Simons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During a stress test,a doctor from Malaysia/Bornel said there are not orangatans or elephants in these areas. They are all in zoos. I was baffled but changed the topic to which butter sub to use. I told her even Smart Balance with olive oil has &quot;palm fruit&quot; in it. Maybe she will read the label.I&#039;ll write Smart Balance again, but what should we use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During a stress test,a doctor from Malaysia/Bornel said there are not orangatans or elephants in these areas. They are all in zoos. I was baffled but changed the topic to which butter sub to use. I told her even Smart Balance with olive oil has &#8220;palm fruit&#8221; in it. Maybe she will read the label.I&#8217;ll write Smart Balance again, but what should we use?</p>
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