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		<title>By: LAngelessunsh</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-511289</link>
		<dc:creator>LAngelessunsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey just becoming a member, glad to be in! I&#039;m glad to be here last but not least, heading to post given that I&#039;ve been studying a prolonged time.                                                           
                                               
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey just becoming a member, glad to be in! I&#8217;m glad to be here last but not least, heading to post given that I&#8217;ve been studying a prolonged time.                                                           </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been concerned in some other forums and have identified this site to have considerably more desirable articles, so it helps make sense to ultimately post!                                            </p>
<p>BTW, what can I do to make myself have a cool title like some people here have?</p>
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		<title>By: Sarhento</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarhento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eat what you prefer and save the Earth my friends... Super friends dont argue wats on their plate basta they just save the earth...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eat what you prefer and save the Earth my friends&#8230; Super friends dont argue wats on their plate basta they just save the earth&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2008-08-19</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-284590</link>
		<dc:creator>easyVegan.info &#187; Blog Archive &#187; easyVegan Link Sanctuary, 2008-08-19</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] RAN: Why don’t the environmental &amp; animal rights movements work together? So wonders Debra from Rainforest Action Network, who just got back from Animal Rights 2008. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jz</title>
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		<dc:creator>jz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>animal rights activists and environmentalists have similar objectives but completely different goals (though some chose to blur the lines). there are many good reasons why we have problems working together, ar activists tend to see environmentalists as working toward self-preservation, &quot;we need the earth to remain in good shape in order for us to survive, oh yeah and we care about exotic wildlife too.&quot; no one here seems to have come across this mentality (or are choosing not to admit it) but it&#039;s definitely there...and i&#039;m gonna need to see less meat on the dinner plates of &quot;environmentalists&quot; before i start aligning forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>animal rights activists and environmentalists have similar objectives but completely different goals (though some chose to blur the lines). there are many good reasons why we have problems working together, ar activists tend to see environmentalists as working toward self-preservation, &#8220;we need the earth to remain in good shape in order for us to survive, oh yeah and we care about exotic wildlife too.&#8221; no one here seems to have come across this mentality (or are choosing not to admit it) but it&#8217;s definitely there&#8230;and i&#8217;m gonna need to see less meat on the dinner plates of &#8220;environmentalists&#8221; before i start aligning forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Johnston</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-239175</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Johnston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for doing this work, Debra. It&#039;s good to hear it &quot;in their own words.&quot; 

I&#039;m with D on this issue, though. While not offering a meat option might offend some people (cultures?) IF you publicize that they&#039;re not being offered one, nobody is going to be offended if you serve a lovely snack or meal that is vegetarian or vegan -- without calling their attention to it (veggie chili and cornbread, for example). I&#039;ve never met anyone who died because they didn&#039;t get their meat fix at an environmental event. 

Let&#039;s start normalizing eating less/no meat. Let&#039;s just do the right thing for the Earth and the children of all species in a delicious and nutritious way. Besides, why aren&#039;t all those &quot;alienated&quot; people just grateful that you&#039;re serving refreshments at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for doing this work, Debra. It&#8217;s good to hear it &#8220;in their own words.&#8221; </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with D on this issue, though. While not offering a meat option might offend some people (cultures?) IF you publicize that they&#8217;re not being offered one, nobody is going to be offended if you serve a lovely snack or meal that is vegetarian or vegan &#8212; without calling their attention to it (veggie chili and cornbread, for example). I&#8217;ve never met anyone who died because they didn&#8217;t get their meat fix at an environmental event. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start normalizing eating less/no meat. Let&#8217;s just do the right thing for the Earth and the children of all species in a delicious and nutritious way. Besides, why aren&#8217;t all those &#8220;alienated&#8221; people just grateful that you&#8217;re serving refreshments at all?</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-236930</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniela, I&#039;m not sure why the POC caucus was not allowed to read a statement, but to be fair, we did not ask until the conference had already started. I posted a more detailed account of the POC caucus, here, at comment #10:
http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/three-recent-links/#comment-919</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniela, I&#8217;m not sure why the POC caucus was not allowed to read a statement, but to be fair, we did not ask until the conference had already started. I posted a more detailed account of the POC caucus, here, at comment #10:<br />
<a href="http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/three-recent-links/#comment-919" rel="nofollow">http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2008/08/31/three-recent-links/#comment-919</a></p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-236739</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this program at AR 2008 is one indication of the presumption of Whiteness:
&quot;Engaging Ethnic Minorities (African-Americans, Latin Americans, Asian-Americans)&quot; 
I participated in the People of Color Caucus on Saturday at AR2008. I thought it was reasonable organized. There were signs everywhere. If there was another gathering on Sunday, I missed it.
This is a statement the POC caucus at an Earth First gathering wrote:
http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/article.php?id=369

I&#039;m disappointed that RAN has decided to serve meat at their events. A vegan menu is not divisive because it is the lowest common denominator - everyone eats vegan food. But not everyone eats meat, dairy, etc. Even if you care nothing about animals, every environmental organization should understand that eating meat causes rainforest destruction because Brazil is slashing and burning rainforests to grow soy to sell to the US, to be used for livestock feed:
http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/01_tropical.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this program at AR 2008 is one indication of the presumption of Whiteness:<br />
&#8220;Engaging Ethnic Minorities (African-Americans, Latin Americans, Asian-Americans)&#8221;<br />
I participated in the People of Color Caucus on Saturday at AR2008. I thought it was reasonable organized. There were signs everywhere. If there was another gathering on Sunday, I missed it.<br />
This is a statement the POC caucus at an Earth First gathering wrote:<br />
<a href="http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/article.php?id=369" rel="nofollow">http://www.earthfirstjournal.org/article.php?id=369</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m disappointed that RAN has decided to serve meat at their events. A vegan menu is not divisive because it is the lowest common denominator &#8211; everyone eats vegan food. But not everyone eats meat, dairy, etc. Even if you care nothing about animals, every environmental organization should understand that eating meat causes rainforest destruction because Brazil is slashing and burning rainforests to grow soy to sell to the US, to be used for livestock feed:<br />
<a href="http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/01_tropical.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.all-creatures.org/hope/gw/01_tropical.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Three Recent Links &#171; Vegans of Color</title>
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		<dc:creator>Three Recent Links &#171; Vegans of Color</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the Vegan Ideal, Dani writes about whiteness &amp; the AR2008 conference, linking to a post from a Rainforest Action Network attendee who notes: the People of Color caucus that met earlier [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the Vegan Ideal, Dani writes about whiteness &amp; the AR2008 conference, linking to a post from a Rainforest Action Network attendee who notes: the People of Color caucus that met earlier [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Daniela</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-232034</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 06:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for speaking at the conference. Your talk provided more concreteness to the perceptions many animal rights activists have about environmental movement activists who also eat meat. I&#039;ve also summed your talk on my blog with some added commentary: http://catscows.blogspot.com

With regard to allowing vegans of color into the animal rights movement, I did notice there were few people of color, but I wasn&#039;t sure how to read your comment that the People of Color caucus was denied the opportunity to speak. It made FARM organizers appear prejudiced, or the caucus appear disorganized. I wish I knew more details as I was unable to find the caucus meeting. In any case, I think there is a need for more diverse representation in any movement. Unfortunately I think there are underlying societal factors that may create a disadvantage for equal participation, but it&#039;s not the AR movement&#039;s intention to block anyone out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for speaking at the conference. Your talk provided more concreteness to the perceptions many animal rights activists have about environmental movement activists who also eat meat. I&#8217;ve also summed your talk on my blog with some added commentary: <a href="http://catscows.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://catscows.blogspot.com</a></p>
<p>With regard to allowing vegans of color into the animal rights movement, I did notice there were few people of color, but I wasn&#8217;t sure how to read your comment that the People of Color caucus was denied the opportunity to speak. It made FARM organizers appear prejudiced, or the caucus appear disorganized. I wish I knew more details as I was unable to find the caucus meeting. In any case, I think there is a need for more diverse representation in any movement. Unfortunately I think there are underlying societal factors that may create a disadvantage for equal participation, but it&#8217;s not the AR movement&#8217;s intention to block anyone out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce Major</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-231876</link>
		<dc:creator>Joyce Major</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having volunteered with the Sumatran Orangutan Society in Indonesia and learning about the issues facing the survival of orangutans, I would think everyone who supports the rainforest or any creature endangered by its destruction would find a way to do a joint fundraising, awareness day or a one theme campaign. How could this be done? The synergy and impact would be enormous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having volunteered with the Sumatran Orangutan Society in Indonesia and learning about the issues facing the survival of orangutans, I would think everyone who supports the rainforest or any creature endangered by its destruction would find a way to do a joint fundraising, awareness day or a one theme campaign. How could this be done? The synergy and impact would be enormous!</p>
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		<title>By: Smite Me! [.net] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This and that.</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-231800</link>
		<dc:creator>Smite Me! [.net] &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This and that.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Debra at RAN wonders, &#8220;Why don’t the environmental &amp; animal rights movements work together?&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aaron Wissner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Wissner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too spoke at the AR conference and I absolutely agree that everyone needs to be working together to save Earth.

If I knew of a conference for &quot;environmentalist&quot; similar to the AR conference, I would definitely attend.  The truth is that both movements share a common underlying value system, namely, ending oppression.  The AR Movement strives to end the oppression of animal, the Environmental Movement strives to end the oppression of the environment.  This shared theme of oppression is quickly apparent to everyone.

The unfortunate thing is that only a small micro-fraction of people &quot;get it&quot; that is is our consumerism, and our global economic and cultural system, that is itself the cause of this oppression.  Our ever use of money perpetuates and reinforces this oppression.  The concept that there could be a compassionate, sustainable, local cultures and economies seems to be outside the realm of most people&#039;s thinking.

Thus, given this time of The Great Turning, the opportunity is to expose both the inneffectiveness of the global system in meeting our goals, but also in helping people to move towards sustainable, compassionate, local systems.  This is a matter of helping to demonstrate how such a local system can better meet each person&#039;s own needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too spoke at the AR conference and I absolutely agree that everyone needs to be working together to save Earth.</p>
<p>If I knew of a conference for &#8220;environmentalist&#8221; similar to the AR conference, I would definitely attend.  The truth is that both movements share a common underlying value system, namely, ending oppression.  The AR Movement strives to end the oppression of animal, the Environmental Movement strives to end the oppression of the environment.  This shared theme of oppression is quickly apparent to everyone.</p>
<p>The unfortunate thing is that only a small micro-fraction of people &#8220;get it&#8221; that is is our consumerism, and our global economic and cultural system, that is itself the cause of this oppression.  Our ever use of money perpetuates and reinforces this oppression.  The concept that there could be a compassionate, sustainable, local cultures and economies seems to be outside the realm of most people&#8217;s thinking.</p>
<p>Thus, given this time of The Great Turning, the opportunity is to expose both the inneffectiveness of the global system in meeting our goals, but also in helping people to move towards sustainable, compassionate, local systems.  This is a matter of helping to demonstrate how such a local system can better meet each person&#8217;s own needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/08/18/why-dont-the-environmental-animal-rights-movements-work-together/comment-page-1/#comment-231557</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted an item in my blog that highlights you. The entry is &quot;AR2008: Strong Women.&quot; I saw you speak twice (I didn&#039;t go to the final plenary) and was surprised by the beginning of this blog post, in which you say you weren&#039;t sure how AR activists would accept you speaking about environmentalism. In my experience, the vast majority of AR activists are also environmentalists. I certainly am. I was actually pro-environment long before I knew what AR was. Without a healthy planet, there are no other issues worth worrying about. I see AR and environmentalism as connected, though. It&#039;s a shame that, based on your small survey, environmentalists see veganism (or even vegetarianism) as too &quot;out there.&quot; The more people who advocate for these diets, the more mainstream they&#039;ll be, so we can use the help of the environmentalists. Also, regarding one person&#039;s comment on the survey about not having time to devote to other causes -- if one has time to eat, one has time to be vegan. It&#039;s simple. For the people who were concerned about environmentalism and vegetarianism being too &quot;white,&quot; you should introduce them to Lauren Ornelas. As I&#039;m sure you know, she&#039;s vegan and her organization represents the low-income people of color. Back to AR2008, though, thank you for speaking and for introducing us to your organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted an item in my blog that highlights you. The entry is &#8220;AR2008: Strong Women.&#8221; I saw you speak twice (I didn&#8217;t go to the final plenary) and was surprised by the beginning of this blog post, in which you say you weren&#8217;t sure how AR activists would accept you speaking about environmentalism. In my experience, the vast majority of AR activists are also environmentalists. I certainly am. I was actually pro-environment long before I knew what AR was. Without a healthy planet, there are no other issues worth worrying about. I see AR and environmentalism as connected, though. It&#8217;s a shame that, based on your small survey, environmentalists see veganism (or even vegetarianism) as too &#8220;out there.&#8221; The more people who advocate for these diets, the more mainstream they&#8217;ll be, so we can use the help of the environmentalists. Also, regarding one person&#8217;s comment on the survey about not having time to devote to other causes &#8212; if one has time to eat, one has time to be vegan. It&#8217;s simple. For the people who were concerned about environmentalism and vegetarianism being too &#8220;white,&#8221; you should introduce them to Lauren Ornelas. As I&#8217;m sure you know, she&#8217;s vegan and her organization represents the low-income people of color. Back to AR2008, though, thank you for speaking and for introducing us to your organization.</p>
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