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	<title>Comments on: Found!: Over 400 Products with Rainforest Destruction</title>
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		<title>By: Arthur Cruz</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-383824</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur Cruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 05:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes me remember something my grandpa used to say...
But it is definitely not appropriate just now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes me remember something my grandpa used to say&#8230;<br />
But it is definitely not appropriate just now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Isaias</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-371056</link>
		<dc:creator>Isaias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone where I can start my own blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-371051</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone where I can start my own blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone where I can start my own blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Bree Brend</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-336565</link>
		<dc:creator>Bree Brend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please, can you PM me and tell me few more thinks about this, I am really fan of your blog...gets solved properly asap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, can you PM me and tell me few more thinks about this, I am really fan of your blog&#8230;gets solved properly asap.</p>
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		<title>By: bodong</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-276949</link>
		<dc:creator>bodong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 01:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry about rain forest in Borneo. The government has a land use planning for cultivated and conservation area. I suggest you to learn about detail land use planning before comments....

Last year I read a WWF report about deforestation in Borneo... in that report said that total area deforested in Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) is 15 million ha because of palm oil expansion.... I laughed then... because total area cultivated by oil palm in Kalimantan now is not more than 1,5 million ha .... so do not exaggerate or miss interpret data.....  

In US, to produce the same amount of vegetable oil, the farmer destroy 90 million ha land every 4 months but in Indonesia the farmer just destroy 6,7 million ha for oil palm every 25 years. See USDA and FAO report. So who is the biggest destroyer?

If you avoid palm oil, you must also avoid soy oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil ... he he he and you can use human oil? what kind of human oil? oil from sex activities.... because not destroy rain forest... oh no... excuse me, if you use condom, it&#039;s mean you also destroy rain forest for rubber plantations....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry about rain forest in Borneo. The government has a land use planning for cultivated and conservation area. I suggest you to learn about detail land use planning before comments&#8230;.</p>
<p>Last year I read a WWF report about deforestation in Borneo&#8230; in that report said that total area deforested in Kalimantan (Indonesian Borneo) is 15 million ha because of palm oil expansion&#8230;. I laughed then&#8230; because total area cultivated by oil palm in Kalimantan now is not more than 1,5 million ha &#8230;. so do not exaggerate or miss interpret data&#8230;..  </p>
<p>In US, to produce the same amount of vegetable oil, the farmer destroy 90 million ha land every 4 months but in Indonesia the farmer just destroy 6,7 million ha for oil palm every 25 years. See USDA and FAO report. So who is the biggest destroyer?</p>
<p>If you avoid palm oil, you must also avoid soy oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil &#8230; he he he and you can use human oil? what kind of human oil? oil from sex activities&#8230;. because not destroy rain forest&#8230; oh no&#8230; excuse me, if you use condom, it&#8217;s mean you also destroy rain forest for rubber plantations&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Wilson</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-212476</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought and ate some corporate organic cookies made with &quot;organic&quot; palm oil. They were only 1.29. That why I bought them.
The brand is Country Choice Organic in www.countrychoiceorganic.com

Thanks for your work on this but please don&#039;t flip over or sell out on us like you did on the Great Bear Rainforest sellout, 70% of the 15 million acre unlogged wilderness be sacrificed so RAN and other so called enviro groups could claim some sort of non-existent victory.

Take this campaign all the way until new oil palm plantations are a thing of the past and existing oil palm plantations on endangered areas are restored to rainforests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought and ate some corporate organic cookies made with &#8220;organic&#8221; palm oil. They were only 1.29. That why I bought them.<br />
The brand is Country Choice Organic in <a href="http://www.countrychoiceorganic.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.countrychoiceorganic.com</a></p>
<p>Thanks for your work on this but please don&#8217;t flip over or sell out on us like you did on the Great Bear Rainforest sellout, 70% of the 15 million acre unlogged wilderness be sacrificed so RAN and other so called enviro groups could claim some sort of non-existent victory.</p>
<p>Take this campaign all the way until new oil palm plantations are a thing of the past and existing oil palm plantations on endangered areas are restored to rainforests.</p>
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		<title>By: Earth Balance, palm oil, rainforests and RAN &#171; Invisible Voices</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/06/20/found-over-400-products-with-rainforest-destruction/comment-page-1/#comment-212085</link>
		<dc:creator>Earth Balance, palm oil, rainforests and RAN &#171; Invisible Voices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has been a year and a half. Today RAN (Rainforest Action Network) posted about rainforests and palm oil. They are in the middle of an action campaign, where people act as supermarket sleuths and register [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has been a year and a half. Today RAN (Rainforest Action Network) posted about rainforests and palm oil. They are in the middle of an action campaign, where people act as supermarket sleuths and register [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does help, thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Brihannala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brihannala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If killing orangutans were the only problem that existed with palm oil, then maybe Earth Balance could get off the hook. But it simply is not. Every where that palm is grown-- very much including Peninsular Malaysia-- involves clear cutting rainforest and planting massive monoculture plantations-- with serious consequences for both endangered species (the tapir lives in Peninsular Malaysia.. does it deserve to go extinct?) and the climate. It also involves displacing communities off their traditionally owned land, which regularly occurs in Peninsular Malaysia. Particularly in Peninsular Malaysia, migrant workers from Indonesia and India are forced into modern day slavery, forced to work for minuscule wages while paying back the companies for their their transportation from their country of origin. It&#039;s a wreck. 

The palm oil that they use is legal? Well, good, but I find it hard to trust a country with routinely lax system of enforcement, particularly in rural areas. And even if legal, the government restrictions fall far below any responsible criteria. There need to be real sustainability criteria, and a third party monitoring system to enforce it. 

As for soy-- there are many different oils that companies could use instead of palm-- but what it boils down to is that our rainforests are more valuable than ANY oil product, and that these companies are responsible for making sure that the oil that they produce does not involve destroying our last remaining critical habitats, killing the climate, and displacing frontline communities off their land. 

Hope this helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If killing orangutans were the only problem that existed with palm oil, then maybe Earth Balance could get off the hook. But it simply is not. Every where that palm is grown&#8211; very much including Peninsular Malaysia&#8211; involves clear cutting rainforest and planting massive monoculture plantations&#8211; with serious consequences for both endangered species (the tapir lives in Peninsular Malaysia.. does it deserve to go extinct?) and the climate. It also involves displacing communities off their traditionally owned land, which regularly occurs in Peninsular Malaysia. Particularly in Peninsular Malaysia, migrant workers from Indonesia and India are forced into modern day slavery, forced to work for minuscule wages while paying back the companies for their their transportation from their country of origin. It&#8217;s a wreck. </p>
<p>The palm oil that they use is legal? Well, good, but I find it hard to trust a country with routinely lax system of enforcement, particularly in rural areas. And even if legal, the government restrictions fall far below any responsible criteria. There need to be real sustainability criteria, and a third party monitoring system to enforce it. </p>
<p>As for soy&#8211; there are many different oils that companies could use instead of palm&#8211; but what it boils down to is that our rainforests are more valuable than ANY oil product, and that these companies are responsible for making sure that the oil that they produce does not involve destroying our last remaining critical habitats, killing the climate, and displacing frontline communities off their land. </p>
<p>Hope this helps!</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I emailed the company that makes Earth Balance (vegan buttery spread) about a year and a half ago about their palm oil, and I want to post part of their response here, and get your thoughts on it. In the video on the site you linked in, you very clearly state that there is no palm oil that is known to be sustainable (i&#039;m paraphrasing), so I guess I&#039;m hoping to hear how you&#039;d break down their defense of the palm oil they use. (This is a topic I haven&#039;t learned much about at this point.)

So here&#039;s what they said to me:
&lt;blockquote&gt;100% of the palm oil used in Earth Balance originates in peninsular Malaysia and not Eastern Malaysia (i.e. Sarawak and Sabah on the Island of Borneo), the main home for orangutans. As the orangutan.com website points out, slash and burn clearing methods are illegal. We purchase our oil exclusively from reputable, law-abiding plantations which are registered with the Malaysian government.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And then they went on to talk about how if people stop using palm oil, it gets replaced with soy oil, which is even worse because more land has to be cleared for soy to get the same amount of oil. 

I don&#039;t know much about the chemistry of ingredients or why one oil is used over another (unless they&#039;re talking omegas, and then I&#039;ve got a good idea), so is the reason that palm and soy oils are being used over other oils because of cost? Or is there some other property that makes it &quot;work&quot; in food products better than others?  

Thanks for your help!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I emailed the company that makes Earth Balance (vegan buttery spread) about a year and a half ago about their palm oil, and I want to post part of their response here, and get your thoughts on it. In the video on the site you linked in, you very clearly state that there is no palm oil that is known to be sustainable (i&#8217;m paraphrasing), so I guess I&#8217;m hoping to hear how you&#8217;d break down their defense of the palm oil they use. (This is a topic I haven&#8217;t learned much about at this point.)</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s what they said to me:</p>
<blockquote><p>100% of the palm oil used in Earth Balance originates in peninsular Malaysia and not Eastern Malaysia (i.e. Sarawak and Sabah on the Island of Borneo), the main home for orangutans. As the orangutan.com website points out, slash and burn clearing methods are illegal. We purchase our oil exclusively from reputable, law-abiding plantations which are registered with the Malaysian government.</p></blockquote>
<p>And then they went on to talk about how if people stop using palm oil, it gets replaced with soy oil, which is even worse because more land has to be cleared for soy to get the same amount of oil. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about the chemistry of ingredients or why one oil is used over another (unless they&#8217;re talking omegas, and then I&#8217;ve got a good idea), so is the reason that palm and soy oils are being used over other oils because of cost? Or is there some other property that makes it &#8220;work&#8221; in food products better than others?  </p>
<p>Thanks for your help!</p>
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