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		<title>By: The Understory &#187; Fossil Fool&#8217;s Day Round Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Understory &#187; Fossil Fool&#8217;s Day Round Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 16:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Charlotte,NC- Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis wins &#8220;Fossil Fool of the Year&#8221; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of course you are SURE it will be billions of years, right ?  Just as you are SURE that &quot;global warming&quot; is a complete and undeniable fact.

Another news flash for you, Einstein.  All science is is theory, all of it.  There is research that supports global warming and there is as much research that supports that it&#039;s a complete fallacy.  You chose to believe the research that supports it.  I chose to come down on the side of the research that thinks historical climate changes are a part of this planets natural evolution.  So this makes you right and makes me wrong ?  I think not.

There have been many examples over the course of history where scientific theories and hypothesis have been proven wrong eventually.  Now this means your position COULD be right but it could be way off base as well.  Until it&#039;s an absolute certainty that climate changes are solely caused by the use of fossil fuels, I refuse to live my life by some &quot;theory&quot; or &quot;hypothesis&quot;.  If it makes you feel good to live your life in that manner, then by all means, do so.  It&#039;s a free country.  Just don&#039;t try to shove it down the throats of the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of course you are SURE it will be billions of years, right ?  Just as you are SURE that &#8220;global warming&#8221; is a complete and undeniable fact.</p>
<p>Another news flash for you, Einstein.  All science is is theory, all of it.  There is research that supports global warming and there is as much research that supports that it&#8217;s a complete fallacy.  You chose to believe the research that supports it.  I chose to come down on the side of the research that thinks historical climate changes are a part of this planets natural evolution.  So this makes you right and makes me wrong ?  I think not.</p>
<p>There have been many examples over the course of history where scientific theories and hypothesis have been proven wrong eventually.  Now this means your position COULD be right but it could be way off base as well.  Until it&#8217;s an absolute certainty that climate changes are solely caused by the use of fossil fuels, I refuse to live my life by some &#8220;theory&#8221; or &#8220;hypothesis&#8221;.  If it makes you feel good to live your life in that manner, then by all means, do so.  It&#8217;s a free country.  Just don&#8217;t try to shove it down the throats of the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Luke....I have news for you.  At some point in the future our sun will supernova, then it won&#039;t matter what is being used for fuel.

As for converting my Mustang to an alternative fuel, I doubt I won&#039;t be driving for that many years to have the need to do that....LOL.

So what solution do you have for the supernova of the sun ?  It will take quite a bit of fuel to get every person on the planet into spaceships and bound for some other solar system so the human race can continue.

However, since you are a space cadet this sounds like it would be right up your alley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Luke&#8230;.I have news for you.  At some point in the future our sun will supernova, then it won&#8217;t matter what is being used for fuel.</p>
<p>As for converting my Mustang to an alternative fuel, I doubt I won&#8217;t be driving for that many years to have the need to do that&#8230;.LOL.</p>
<p>So what solution do you have for the supernova of the sun ?  It will take quite a bit of fuel to get every person on the planet into spaceships and bound for some other solar system so the human race can continue.</p>
<p>However, since you are a space cadet this sounds like it would be right up your alley.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good place to start:

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3791

Whether you choose to ignore the reality of global warming or not, you should be vaguely aware that fossil fuels will run out. I guess you&#039;re planning to convert your mustang to run on coal-to-liquid?

Fossil fuel energy came from the sun, and, like it or not,  we&#039;re going to have to learn to live within our solar budget sooner or later. If we do it sooner, we can avoid nasty things like climate change, collapse of the global food system, resource wars, and water shortages. If we do it later, we can&#039;t. Which future do you want your descendants to live in?

RAN&#039;s more photogenic tactics are simply ways to encourage people to take the long view into account. Humanity finding fossil fuels was like winning the lottery - a one-time windfall that helped us escape the Malthusian trap - but now, as the free money is running out, it presents us with a difficult transition. Essentially, we won $2 million in the lottery, made the down payment on a $20 million house, had 5 billion kids, and then realized, as our balance dwindled, that maybe we should have made some investments in assets that would provide an actual income (read: renewables).

If you think continuing on the current path of wasting our energy inheritance with nary a thought for the future is a fine idea, you&#039;re entitled to your asinine opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good place to start:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3791" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoildrum.com/node/3791</a></p>
<p>Whether you choose to ignore the reality of global warming or not, you should be vaguely aware that fossil fuels will run out. I guess you&#8217;re planning to convert your mustang to run on coal-to-liquid?</p>
<p>Fossil fuel energy came from the sun, and, like it or not,  we&#8217;re going to have to learn to live within our solar budget sooner or later. If we do it sooner, we can avoid nasty things like climate change, collapse of the global food system, resource wars, and water shortages. If we do it later, we can&#8217;t. Which future do you want your descendants to live in?</p>
<p>RAN&#8217;s more photogenic tactics are simply ways to encourage people to take the long view into account. Humanity finding fossil fuels was like winning the lottery &#8211; a one-time windfall that helped us escape the Malthusian trap &#8211; but now, as the free money is running out, it presents us with a difficult transition. Essentially, we won $2 million in the lottery, made the down payment on a $20 million house, had 5 billion kids, and then realized, as our balance dwindled, that maybe we should have made some investments in assets that would provide an actual income (read: renewables).</p>
<p>If you think continuing on the current path of wasting our energy inheritance with nary a thought for the future is a fine idea, you&#8217;re entitled to your asinine opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So tell me Luke, what&#039;s your solution to this &quot;perceived&quot; problem of global warming ?  Chaining yourself to the doors of businesses ?  The planet Earth has had climate shifts for hundreds of millions of years.  Long before you and I were around and it will continue long after.  I am a moderate that can&#039;t stomach extremists on either side of any issue.  Extremists offer no solutions, they just like to get their names in the newspaper and their faces on TV.

Oh by the way...my 300 hp Mustang GT convertible will be coming out of storage soon, you are welcome to come along for a drive....LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So tell me Luke, what&#8217;s your solution to this &#8220;perceived&#8221; problem of global warming ?  Chaining yourself to the doors of businesses ?  The planet Earth has had climate shifts for hundreds of millions of years.  Long before you and I were around and it will continue long after.  I am a moderate that can&#8217;t stomach extremists on either side of any issue.  Extremists offer no solutions, they just like to get their names in the newspaper and their faces on TV.</p>
<p>Oh by the way&#8230;my 300 hp Mustang GT convertible will be coming out of storage soon, you are welcome to come along for a drive&#8230;.LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Oil, coal and natural gas are produced naturally by this planet for a reason.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh my. Don&#039;t tell me you&#039;re some kind of abiotic oil nut. Fringe thinkers indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Oil, coal and natural gas are produced naturally by this planet for a reason.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh my. Don&#8217;t tell me you&#8217;re some kind of abiotic oil nut. Fringe thinkers indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luke...wow....you know how to look up an IP address.  Should I be impressed ?

Try doing some research and you will find that many scientists believe that &quot;global warming&quot; is a complete fallacy.  However I know that you and others on the lunatic fringe need to be believe that it&#039;s gospel truth so you will have something to keep you occupied.

Do you really think that coal, oil and natural gas is going to be replaced anytime soon as the primary energy source ?  Please tell me that you are not that naive.  Don&#039;t you think that if the energy companies had found an alternative fuel and could make even more billions from it they would have done it already ?

Oil, coal and natural gas are produced naturally by this planet for a reason.

Now go chain yourself to an oil company&#039;s front door and get yourself arrested.  That is sure to help find solutions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luke&#8230;wow&#8230;.you know how to look up an IP address.  Should I be impressed ?</p>
<p>Try doing some research and you will find that many scientists believe that &#8220;global warming&#8221; is a complete fallacy.  However I know that you and others on the lunatic fringe need to be believe that it&#8217;s gospel truth so you will have something to keep you occupied.</p>
<p>Do you really think that coal, oil and natural gas is going to be replaced anytime soon as the primary energy source ?  Please tell me that you are not that naive.  Don&#8217;t you think that if the energy companies had found an alternative fuel and could make even more billions from it they would have done it already ?</p>
<p>Oil, coal and natural gas are produced naturally by this planet for a reason.</p>
<p>Now go chain yourself to an oil company&#8217;s front door and get yourself arrested.  That is sure to help find solutions&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about it, Chris, would you like to go on record saying that global warming is just alarmism? You&#039;d fit right in at GM ...

And Gary, I&#039;ve been meaning to ask: is this denialism just your opinion, or that of the Hartford, the investment bank whose network you&#039;re posting from?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about it, Chris, would you like to go on record saying that global warming is just alarmism? You&#8217;d fit right in at GM &#8230;</p>
<p>And Gary, I&#8217;ve been meaning to ask: is this denialism just your opinion, or that of the Hartford, the investment bank whose network you&#8217;re posting from?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris...you can&#039;t really debate intelligently with fringe thinkers.  It&#039;s impossible.  Remember these are people that would rather chain themselves to banks and create a spectacle instead of actually trying to come up with something constructive.

They insist that &quot;global warming&quot; is gospel truth when even the scientists can&#039;t agree if there really is &quot;global warming&quot;.  Back in the 70s all the lunatic fringe were claiming that the abuse of the planet was bringing us into another ice age.....LOL.

I am not talking about ALL the people that want a cleaner environment, I am talking about the whackos who go over the edge.  I commend people that want to see us all being kinder to the environment but I think those that are using &quot;global warming&quot; as a career to support themselves are operating under a completely different agenda.

Basically....some of them need to grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris&#8230;you can&#8217;t really debate intelligently with fringe thinkers.  It&#8217;s impossible.  Remember these are people that would rather chain themselves to banks and create a spectacle instead of actually trying to come up with something constructive.</p>
<p>They insist that &#8220;global warming&#8221; is gospel truth when even the scientists can&#8217;t agree if there really is &#8220;global warming&#8221;.  Back in the 70s all the lunatic fringe were claiming that the abuse of the planet was bringing us into another ice age&#8230;..LOL.</p>
<p>I am not talking about ALL the people that want a cleaner environment, I am talking about the whackos who go over the edge.  I commend people that want to see us all being kinder to the environment but I think those that are using &#8220;global warming&#8221; as a career to support themselves are operating under a completely different agenda.</p>
<p>Basically&#8230;.some of them need to grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 17:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
&lt;blockquote&gt;while we’ve been talking about the future of transportation, we’ve actually been making it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Yeah, Chris, I thought that pressuring the California Air Resource Board to eviscerate the ZEV requirement was pretty historic, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>while we’ve been talking about the future of transportation, we’ve actually been making it.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, Chris, I thought that pressuring the California Air Resource Board to eviscerate the ZEV requirement was pretty historic, too.</p>
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