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	<title>Comments on: 2007. A rough year for coal &#8211; 59 plants cancelled!</title>
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		<title>By: sparki</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-162008</link>
		<dc:creator>sparki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 08:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s always strange to me when right-wingers and pro-coal proponents &quot;get&quot; us with their intellectual superiority on our  blogs that they resort to name calling.  I honestly think that when people like Roger get on the internet they are regressing to their schoolyard days when some bully pushed them around too much and now in abstract manner they can digitally push back.

Regardless, come on Roger can&#039;t you come up with something better than &quot;skyrocketing electricity bills and rolling blackouts&quot; and coal accounts for &quot;50% of the country’s fuel&quot; over and over?  Got any original thoughts?

How about nearly 500 hundred mountains have been decapitated by mountaintop removal coal mining leaving homes destroyed, streams and rivers polluted and buried and pristine wilderness destroyed so you can have cheap electricity?

How about groundwater and air pollution from mercury spewed out by the combustion of coal in communities all over the country?  There&#039;s a reason that plans for 59 of the proposed 150+ plants have been scrapped.  It&#039;s because people all over the country are tired of having their children&#039;s health bear the burden of your cheap easy energy needs.

And then there&#039;s the massive threat of global warming created by the burning of coal.

Energy efficiency initiatives and renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power would allow the U.S. to reduce energy consumption by 20 percent by 2020 and obtain 80 percent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2050 (if the dinosaurs in the coal industry get out of the way and actually let that sector develop, unlikely as they continue to fund everything obstacle to climate progress from climate skeptics to corrupt politicians that support their coal ridden way of life.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always strange to me when right-wingers and pro-coal proponents &#8220;get&#8221; us with their intellectual superiority on our  blogs that they resort to name calling.  I honestly think that when people like Roger get on the internet they are regressing to their schoolyard days when some bully pushed them around too much and now in abstract manner they can digitally push back.</p>
<p>Regardless, come on Roger can&#8217;t you come up with something better than &#8220;skyrocketing electricity bills and rolling blackouts&#8221; and coal accounts for &#8220;50% of the country’s fuel&#8221; over and over?  Got any original thoughts?</p>
<p>How about nearly 500 hundred mountains have been decapitated by mountaintop removal coal mining leaving homes destroyed, streams and rivers polluted and buried and pristine wilderness destroyed so you can have cheap electricity?</p>
<p>How about groundwater and air pollution from mercury spewed out by the combustion of coal in communities all over the country?  There&#8217;s a reason that plans for 59 of the proposed 150+ plants have been scrapped.  It&#8217;s because people all over the country are tired of having their children&#8217;s health bear the burden of your cheap easy energy needs.</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the massive threat of global warming created by the burning of coal.</p>
<p>Energy efficiency initiatives and renewable energy sources such as wind and solar power would allow the U.S. to reduce energy consumption by 20 percent by 2020 and obtain 80 percent of its electricity from renewable sources by 2050 (if the dinosaurs in the coal industry get out of the way and actually let that sector develop, unlikely as they continue to fund everything obstacle to climate progress from climate skeptics to corrupt politicians that support their coal ridden way of life.)</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-161624</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 00:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Luke and Sparki:
Have you ever thought what would happen if you eliminate a fuel source that accounts for more than half our electricity?

It&#039;s called skyrocketing electricity bills and rolling blackouts!

Sure renewables have a purpose, but have you ever heard of base load versus intermittent power?

Renewables CANNOT provide 24-7 base load electricity generation!  What happens when the sun isn&#039;t shining and wind isn&#039;t blowing??? Light a candle and rub your hands over the flame to keep warm?

And what happens when you build your wind farm (which by the way requires massive land development and kills rare species of birds) and there is no transmission lines to carry the INTERMITTENT electricity to homes?

And..what happens to people&#039;s electricity bills when you eliminate coal out of the equation and replace it with higher cost fuels such as natural gas?  I guess you just don&#039;t care about the people, who even today, have to choose between heating their homes and eating!!!

The answer is investing in the technology (just like we have  done to meet any challenge in any industry) to make coal burn cleaner than it already is!!!!

Pathetic......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Luke and Sparki:<br />
Have you ever thought what would happen if you eliminate a fuel source that accounts for more than half our electricity?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s called skyrocketing electricity bills and rolling blackouts!</p>
<p>Sure renewables have a purpose, but have you ever heard of base load versus intermittent power?</p>
<p>Renewables CANNOT provide 24-7 base load electricity generation!  What happens when the sun isn&#8217;t shining and wind isn&#8217;t blowing??? Light a candle and rub your hands over the flame to keep warm?</p>
<p>And what happens when you build your wind farm (which by the way requires massive land development and kills rare species of birds) and there is no transmission lines to carry the INTERMITTENT electricity to homes?</p>
<p>And..what happens to people&#8217;s electricity bills when you eliminate coal out of the equation and replace it with higher cost fuels such as natural gas?  I guess you just don&#8217;t care about the people, who even today, have to choose between heating their homes and eating!!!</p>
<p>The answer is investing in the technology (just like we have  done to meet any challenge in any industry) to make coal burn cleaner than it already is!!!!</p>
<p>Pathetic&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sparki</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160998</link>
		<dc:creator>sparki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 20:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey Roger-- don&#039;t you think it&#039;s time to shift off dependency to finite fossil fuels like oil and coal to energy sources that are renewable and sustainable.  i thought the whole idea of &quot;conservative&quot; was to conserve.  why not start by &quot;conserving&quot; our energy sources, the eco-systems which house fossil fuels and the communities negatively impacted by their extraction.  

if you really want to see the impact of coal go to southern west virginia and see how your energy needs are wrecking lives and destroying the Appalachian mountains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Roger&#8211; don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s time to shift off dependency to finite fossil fuels like oil and coal to energy sources that are renewable and sustainable.  i thought the whole idea of &#8220;conservative&#8221; was to conserve.  why not start by &#8220;conserving&#8221; our energy sources, the eco-systems which house fossil fuels and the communities negatively impacted by their extraction.  </p>
<p>if you really want to see the impact of coal go to southern west virginia and see how your energy needs are wrecking lives and destroying the Appalachian mountains.</p>
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		<title>By: Coal: Unplugged &#171; Public Citizen Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coal: Unplugged &#171; Public Citizen Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 59 proposed coal-fired plants were canceled or shelved in 2007. Matt Leonard writes about it on Understory, RAN&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160892</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that anyone who uses electricity uses coal. What can they do about it? Help campaign against coal. Like we do. In fact, whether you use coal or not, you (and your children) will suffer the consequences of coal extraction and combustion. The only thing you can do to help prevent them is to take action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that anyone who uses electricity uses coal. What can they do about it? Help campaign against coal. Like we do. In fact, whether you use coal or not, you (and your children) will suffer the consequences of coal extraction and combustion. The only thing you can do to help prevent them is to take action.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160705</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 20:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact....chances are all of you live off coal every day unless you live life without electricity.

So...it&#039;s hypocritical to bash our most secure, affordable energy source when in fact, each of you use it!

Furthermore...coal is what&#039;s able to help you actually afford electricity!

What&#039;s the answer to that?

And no...I&#039;m not an employee of the coal industry....just some one who is rational!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact&#8230;.chances are all of you live off coal every day unless you live life without electricity.</p>
<p>So&#8230;it&#8217;s hypocritical to bash our most secure, affordable energy source when in fact, each of you use it!</p>
<p>Furthermore&#8230;coal is what&#8217;s able to help you actually afford electricity!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the answer to that?</p>
<p>And no&#8230;I&#8217;m not an employee of the coal industry&#8230;.just some one who is rational!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy Matt...last time I checked 121 is a heckuva lot more than 59!!!

By the way Matt...since you are so astute on our energy crisis...how do you think we&#039;ll be able to meet electricity demand without rolling blackouts and skyrocketing electricity bills???  Especially since you think that 50% of the country&#039;s fuel can just be eliminated?????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy Matt&#8230;last time I checked 121 is a heckuva lot more than 59!!!</p>
<p>By the way Matt&#8230;since you are so astute on our energy crisis&#8230;how do you think we&#8217;ll be able to meet electricity demand without rolling blackouts and skyrocketing electricity bills???  Especially since you think that 50% of the country&#8217;s fuel can just be eliminated?????</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Leonard</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160700</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Leonard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, please. Our list is well-cited - feel free do more than cut-and-paste ABEC&#039;s statements.

And actually - the DOE&#039;s NETL lab publishes a document every few months called &quot;Tracking New Coal-Fired Power Plants&quot;. Their report back in May listed 151 proposed plants in their databse. But then their next report in October listed only 121. What happened?

Well - check out our report and you&#039;ll see what happened. If 30 were down the tubes between just May and October - we&#039;ll tell you what happened between January and December.

-Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, please. Our list is well-cited &#8211; feel free do more than cut-and-paste ABEC&#8217;s statements.</p>
<p>And actually &#8211; the DOE&#8217;s NETL lab publishes a document every few months called &#8220;Tracking New Coal-Fired Power Plants&#8221;. Their report back in May listed 151 proposed plants in their databse. But then their next report in October listed only 121. What happened?</p>
<p>Well &#8211; check out our report and you&#8217;ll see what happened. If 30 were down the tubes between just May and October &#8211; we&#8217;ll tell you what happened between January and December.</p>
<p>-Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160696</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t sound like spin to me.  Sounds like facts!

As a matter of FACT, I checked the Department of Energy&#039;s Web site and it says the same.

When you look at the numbers of those cancelled versus those approved, looks like the spin is coming from the enviros!!!

Who&#039;s spinning what????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like spin to me.  Sounds like facts!</p>
<p>As a matter of FACT, I checked the Department of Energy&#8217;s Web site and it says the same.</p>
<p>When you look at the numbers of those cancelled versus those approved, looks like the spin is coming from the enviros!!!</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s spinning what????</p>
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2008/01/17/2007-a-rough-year-for-coal-59-plants-cancelled/comment-page-1/#comment-160682</link>
		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How odd that a front group for the coal industry would have a different spin on things:

&quot;Formed in 2000 to develop astroturf support for coal-based electricity, Americans for Balanced Energy Choices (ABEC) promotes the interests of mining companies, coal transporters, and electricity producers. A domain name search reveals that ABEC&#039;s website is registered to the coal industry trade organization Center for Energy and Economic Development. (ABEC originally used the www.balancedenergy.org domain but later switched to a website titled America&#039;s Power&quot; (Sourcewatch)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How odd that a front group for the coal industry would have a different spin on things:</p>
<p>&#8220;Formed in 2000 to develop astroturf support for coal-based electricity, Americans for Balanced Energy Choices (ABEC) promotes the interests of mining companies, coal transporters, and electricity producers. A domain name search reveals that ABEC&#8217;s website is registered to the coal industry trade organization Center for Energy and Economic Development. (ABEC originally used the <a href="http://www.balancedenergy.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.balancedenergy.org</a> domain but later switched to a website titled America&#8217;s Power&#8221; (Sourcewatch)</p>
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