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	<title>Comments on: Weyerhaeuser to Workers-&#8221;Bah Humbug!&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2005/12/31/weyerhaeuser-to-workers-bah-humbug/comment-page-1/#comment-3696</link>
		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 19:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, sounds like we&#039;re not seeing eye-to-eye. First, I&#039;d argue that currency fluctuations and growth rates have more to do with job losses in North American forestry than we do.  That, and the consolidation of the industry into multinationals more concerned with quarterly earnings than workers. We&#039;re for a forest industry that values workers and the environment--in the US and worldwide. 

Some are doing a pretty good job of doing just that. Take a look at EcoTrust (http://www.ecotrust.org/forestry/) for some innovative work to build socially and environmentally models for the forest industry being done now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, sounds like we&#8217;re not seeing eye-to-eye. First, I&#8217;d argue that currency fluctuations and growth rates have more to do with job losses in North American forestry than we do.  That, and the consolidation of the industry into multinationals more concerned with quarterly earnings than workers. We&#8217;re for a forest industry that values workers and the environment&#8211;in the US and worldwide. </p>
<p>Some are doing a pretty good job of doing just that. Take a look at EcoTrust (<a href="http://www.ecotrust.org/forestry/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ecotrust.org/forestry/</a>) for some innovative work to build socially and environmentally models for the forest industry being done now.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! You get your way, you win. Mills are shutting down everywhere. More trees are being left in the forest to die of disease instead of being used for necessary products and jobs. You are directly responsible for this happening. Then you have the audacity to complain about how the companies are shutting down and how that is going to affect the mill workers. As if you really cared. Don&#039;t patronize us with your hypocritical, &quot;We care about the Union worker&quot; baloney. As long as you can continue blackmailing revenue out of the public by misrepresenting what is really going on in the forests, you will be the happy little hypocrites you are. Don&#039;t start trying to hide behind the veil of caring about people. All you really care about is their checkbooks and donations. If you really cared about the environment you would be an advocate for responsible logging in the good ole USA where environmental restrictions are the strictest and most enforced. Your pressure has mills shutting down here and all the wood production being moved to third world countries (rain forested countries) where they won&#039;t be bothered by the likes of you. Good job!!! I contribute all of that &quot;progress&quot; to you. Then, to divert that sort of negative, true, and real attention from yourselves, you start attacking banks that try to invest in third world infrastructure. What do you stand for? What are you trying to do? Who do you benefit besides yourselves? Do you even know? Or, are the donation checks so big you just don&#039;t care?

Scott Miller
Union, OR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! You get your way, you win. Mills are shutting down everywhere. More trees are being left in the forest to die of disease instead of being used for necessary products and jobs. You are directly responsible for this happening. Then you have the audacity to complain about how the companies are shutting down and how that is going to affect the mill workers. As if you really cared. Don&#8217;t patronize us with your hypocritical, &#8220;We care about the Union worker&#8221; baloney. As long as you can continue blackmailing revenue out of the public by misrepresenting what is really going on in the forests, you will be the happy little hypocrites you are. Don&#8217;t start trying to hide behind the veil of caring about people. All you really care about is their checkbooks and donations. If you really cared about the environment you would be an advocate for responsible logging in the good ole USA where environmental restrictions are the strictest and most enforced. Your pressure has mills shutting down here and all the wood production being moved to third world countries (rain forested countries) where they won&#8217;t be bothered by the likes of you. Good job!!! I contribute all of that &#8220;progress&#8221; to you. Then, to divert that sort of negative, true, and real attention from yourselves, you start attacking banks that try to invest in third world infrastructure. What do you stand for? What are you trying to do? Who do you benefit besides yourselves? Do you even know? Or, are the donation checks so big you just don&#8217;t care?</p>
<p>Scott Miller<br />
Union, OR</p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2005/12/31/weyerhaeuser-to-workers-bah-humbug/comment-page-1/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, the point isn&#039;t pro-union speechifying, it&#039;s that the industry argument of jobs vs. the environment is a farce. Truth is, Weyerhaeuser treats workers and the environment with equal disrespect.  That case needs to be made--particularly to the customers that make our market-based strategies work. Costco, Staples and other buyers view the specter of job loss as a legitimate rebuttal to our demands and need to hear a legitimate response. 
 
This is a valuable debate.  Get a conversation going, don&#039;t just jump ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, the point isn&#8217;t pro-union speechifying, it&#8217;s that the industry argument of jobs vs. the environment is a farce. Truth is, Weyerhaeuser treats workers and the environment with equal disrespect.  That case needs to be made&#8211;particularly to the customers that make our market-based strategies work. Costco, Staples and other buyers view the specter of job loss as a legitimate rebuttal to our demands and need to hear a legitimate response. </p>
<p>This is a valuable debate.  Get a conversation going, don&#8217;t just jump ship.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 03:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi RAN people. 

Sometimes I am very surprised by you!
first you want to save the rain forrests and old growth in Canada. That is great, really, that is a noble cause. However, when you go in to this pro union speech thing, it just makes me sick. Sure, it in not nice that people loose high paying jobs. but aren&#039;t these people the ones that are involved in milling all the trees you are trying to protect from being miled? I would say, great, more trees in North America! and you know what, people more on to other jobs. 
Don&#039;t you think that it was unfair that all of those horse and buggy driver&#039;s lost their jobs bercuase the industry couldn&#039;t compete with motor taxies? And all you see is all those union jobs lost. what you don&#039;t see is all the new ones that are created by the the taxi industry. Please, do us all a favor, read an Econ 101 textbook, and remove me from your mailing list. 

... Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi RAN people. </p>
<p>Sometimes I am very surprised by you!<br />
first you want to save the rain forrests and old growth in Canada. That is great, really, that is a noble cause. However, when you go in to this pro union speech thing, it just makes me sick. Sure, it in not nice that people loose high paying jobs. but aren&#8217;t these people the ones that are involved in milling all the trees you are trying to protect from being miled? I would say, great, more trees in North America! and you know what, people more on to other jobs.<br />
Don&#8217;t you think that it was unfair that all of those horse and buggy driver&#8217;s lost their jobs bercuase the industry couldn&#8217;t compete with motor taxies? And all you see is all those union jobs lost. what you don&#8217;t see is all the new ones that are created by the the taxi industry. Please, do us all a favor, read an Econ 101 textbook, and remove me from your mailing list. </p>
<p>&#8230; Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Brant</title>
		<link>http://understory.ran.org/2005/12/31/weyerhaeuser-to-workers-bah-humbug/comment-page-1/#comment-501</link>
		<dc:creator>Brant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2006 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>315 more layoffs &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/story.html?id=67808921-6f40-4abd-8ede-c347e92d753b&amp;k=70388&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;announced&lt;/a&gt; last week at two more Weyerhaeuser SK mills.  Grand total:  2466 layoffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>315 more layoffs <a href="http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/story.html?id=67808921-6f40-4abd-8ede-c347e92d753b&amp;k=70388" rel="nofollow">announced</a> last week at two more Weyerhaeuser SK mills.  Grand total:  2466 layoffs.</p>
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